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According to the study, an electric car owner would have to drive at least 80,000 miles before producing a net saving in CO2. Many electric cars will not travel that far in their lifetime because they typically have a range of less than 90 miles on a single charge and are unsuitable for long trips. Even those driven 100,000 would save only about a tonne of CO2 over their lifetimes.
Much of the CO2 produced by electric cars is produced in the process of manufacturing the batteries.
Much of the electric and hybrid car business is in the US are subsidized by the US Govt. In 2010, one fourth of GM and Ford’s hybrids were purchased by the federal government. Nissan got a $1.4 billion dollar loan from the feds to develop their electric car, the Leaf. Several thousands of dollars in tax credits per car have to be shelled out to make these models attractive for sale.
Much of the CO2 produced by electric cars is produced in the process of manufacturing the batteries.
The study was commissioned by the Low Carbon Vehicle Partnership, which is jointly funded by the British government and the car industry. It found that a mid-size electric car would produce 23.1 tonnes of CO2 over its lifetime, compared with 24 tonnes for a similar petrol car. Emissions from manufacturing electric cars are at least 50 per cent higher because batteries are made from materials such as lithium, copper and refined silicon, which require much energy to be processed.
Many electric cars are expected to need a replacement battery after a few years. Once the emissions from producing the second battery are added in, the total CO2 from producing an electric car rises to 12.6 tonnes, compared with 5.6 tonnes for a petrol car. Disposal also produces double the emissions because of the energy consumed in recovering and recycling metals in the battery. The study also took into account carbon emitted to generate the grid electricity consumed.
Greg Archer, director of Low CVP, said the industry should state the full lifecycle emissions of cars rather than just tailpipe emissions, to avoid misleading consumers. He said that drivers wanting to minimise emissions could be better off buying a small, efficient petrol or diesel car. “People have to match the technology to their particular needs,” he said.This study make you wonder why the United States is creating a market for a product where the is no demand and no ecological advantage.
Much of the electric and hybrid car business is in the US are subsidized by the US Govt. In 2010, one fourth of GM and Ford’s hybrids were purchased by the federal government. Nissan got a $1.4 billion dollar loan from the feds to develop their electric car, the Leaf. Several thousands of dollars in tax credits per car have to be shelled out to make these models attractive for sale.
Just another example of the federal government taking your tax dollars and throwing them down the toilet.
Well done Brits! It's amazing to me that you figured out so quickly that the "genius" in the White House is really the "Emperor that had no clothes".
2 comments:
I like how you put the CO2 emissions on the making of the batteries and how the range limit is <90 miles on most models of electric cars. First of all, the vast majority of cars in the United States are driven less than 20 miles a day. According to the U.S. Bureau of Transportation statistics, more than 75 percent of Americans commute 40 miles a day or less.
Not to mention, the range is increasing dramatically as the technology matures - some nickel-based batteries have one-charge ranges of over 300 miles RIGHT NOW.
Also forgot to mention with an electric car there is no need for antifreeze, oil changes or other petroleum-based products that are necessary to keep internal-combustion engines running.
You want to compare full lifecycle emissions of electric cars rather than just tailpipe emissions? What do you think gas/diesel cars are made of? The average lifespan of a EC battery is as much as 200,000 miles. I'd say the CO2 output of that battery is much more eco-friendly than filling up a gas/diesel engine car over 8,000 times, wouldn't you?
And you're insane if you think there is no demand for the electric car. Ford stated earlier this year that by 2020, between 15-20% of their car sales will include electric motors. A May USA Today/Gallup poll showed that over 40% of those polled are interested in an electric car if it was made affordable.
I'm no fan of Obama's either or the wasteful spending by our government but I am a fan of doing anything and everything humanly possible to get off of fossil fuels. Not only because global warming is real (whether you believe it or not) but because I have kids who are going to have to find other energy sources that are more sustainable & don't put us at the mercy of the countries that provide it.
Jeff O. Thanks for your response. I appreciate your passion. Keep the comments coming. I have a few thoughts in response to your comment:
1. In the US 45% of electricity is generated by coal plants. Are we just shifting the source of pollution from foreign oil to domestic coal? At first glance, EV's appear to me to be a "band-aid". In other words, electric cars don't really get us off of our reliance of fossil fuels.
2. According to Forbes, car companies (like Nissan) greatly overstate the mileage of EV's. For example, if you use a heater or air conditioner, use the windshield wipers or drive over 38 mph, you may have a problem. When you’re crawling along in city traffic in the summer with the air conditioning on, it’s a different story. In that case (86 degrees and 6 mph on average) your battery will be dead in just 47 miles. Uh-oh! That's really close to the statistics you have cited of a 40 mile average commute.
3. I am insane. Here's the big scorecard for all U.S. sales of these vehicles thus far:
Volt: 928
Leaf: 173
Nissan originally predicted 25,000 Leafs to be sold this year and we are halfway to December. I know what the polls say but the reality is that EV's are not selling...period.
To your surprise, I do believe there is global warming. I just believe the large majority of global warming can be attributed to natural cycles. One thing we know from glacial core samples is that the earth’s climate has always fluctuated. In the last 650,000 years there have been seven major cycles of glacial advance and retreat. The last ice age ended 7,000 years ago and was the beginning of today’s climate era and human civilization.
However, I believe you and I are on the same side. I want to have clean, pure air. I don't want my boys to fry like a piece of bacon when they walk outside. I don't want to rely on foreign countries for fossil fuels and oil.
My point with the blog is that I simply don't think the electric car is the answer and in our haste to solve this problem for ourselves and our children, we don't think through the process. Hopefully, I have made you think.
Thank you for challenging me. You made me think through my stance. I appreciate your thoughts and comments.
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